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Google gadgets are very easy to add to a shop and can provide nice features (like a countdown to New Years box). But they are also very easy to create and if you have the talent to create something others would like on their shops, it is an easy way to create one way links to your site, which could greatly increase your Page Rank.

Jack

Hi
How do I add the link to my index.php?

Do you mean the code? If you mean the links I mentioned, I was referring to others that might use your gadget.

Jack

this code will not increase your page rank.

Why won't having more links to your site increase PR?

Jack

This is what we call outbound links (placing links on your site) they are never beneficial as this wont give anything to your site. The only thing which matters is the inbound links i.e other sites having the link of your site. This is like the importance of a person increases when many people know him not when he knows many . Hope this is clear.

When you create a gadget, you place a link to your shop in it. If it is a popular gadget and say a million sites use it, it means you have a million new inbound links. This was stated in the original post - "create one way links to your site."

Jack

Hey Jack,


Is it possible for a google gadget to be directly integrated into oscommerce (like it was the igoogle page)? Do you think anything can do this? I would love nothing more than to find some type of gallery of widgets which could be integrated with osc; or doctored. Do you think that this is a realistic hope?

Best regards,

Victor

Adding gadgets to your site WILL NOT make any difference to your rankings, (PR/ Alexa etc) whatsoever.
All it will do is create a link back to google.
If you create your own gadget which contains your url then maybe if enough people use it it might make a small difference, but nothing major.
Rankings depend on content, quality and consistency.

I recently launched SolarFrenzy.com and within a month I achieved a PR3 and Alexa of around 400k simply because I followed all the rules.

I don't know what you mean by "directly integrated." The code they supply is added to the code in your shop wherever you want it.

Jack

I think what he means is that it would be nice if osc admin contained a page of these gadgets that you simply click to install.
Personally i can't see the point but each to their own!

You need to look up the difference between "rankings" and "Page Rank." They are quite different.
Sorry, but there is simply no way you could receive a PR3 from google within a month of opening a new site, with normal links, of course. If you purchased the PR, that is a different matter. The fact that you mix Alexa in with PR indicates you do not understand the subject. Alexa only works for sites that have the Alexa toolbar installed. That skews the results so they are basically useless. But even if it were valid data, it wouldn't factor in PR.

Jack

Oh, I see. Yes, that would be a waste of time since more and more gadgets are being created everyday and google has already started igoogle to accomodate them.

Jack

Looks like you need to do some research Jack.
Alexa rating doesn't JUST work with the toolbar and I have never heard of anyone buying PR (unless you mean buying links from higher ranking sites etc, which, in this case, I haven't done.)

I purchased the domain on 26th July and launched the site at the beginning of September. By the middle of October the PR was registered at 3.
I agree with you that Alexa is pretty much pointless but it does rank high in some people's estimation.

Believe me Jack when I say that I DO understand this subject as I have spent the last 10 years working in this area.

Actually there are several widget's I wan't to install directly onto the PHP pages; to be honest, I may not even put a gallery image on there, it was just the first example of a widget that came to my mind. To be honest, I'm really more interested in the social networking exposure some of those widget's can give me. Getting your content twittered and Digged by the masses will affect your rankings - there is no question about it. Things like adding widget 'forums' or 'comment' field's onto pages can also make a difference (only though if you generate lot's of comment's).

I am aware that there are contribution's available that can do the same thing as these widget's. However, word on the street is that Google is setting up the groundwork to make widget's a staple part of e-commerce and how website's are ranked. This is why there has been so much buzz about facebook among marketer's as of late.

If anyone here wan't to stay a step ahead of Google, take a look at the Google OpenSocial stuff community for developers ong Ning.

You've worked with SEO for 10 years and never heard of someone buying PR? Wow.

Jack

Jack, I know of plenty of people supposedly 'selling' PR but these are the same people that promise to get you top rankings on google.
You can't actually buy PR.

Here's some quality links about this issue:
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/b...py?answer=35769
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/text-links-and-pagerank/
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/text-link-follow-up/

I am aware of google's stance on it but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. Even if google said it was the best thing to do, I would never pay for PR since it has little affect in the first place. But other sites routinely purchase PR. I'm sure googles latest restructuring of the PR system has had some affect on that since almost every sites PR was changed, but it won't stop it. To say you cannot buy PR is simply not true.

Jack

I've been following this thread wanted to comment.

Jack, are you saying that a person can buy actually Page Rank. If I want PR7, I can go order PR7? As the others have posted you are buying inbound links that hopefully raise your PR. You cannot buy actual PR, if possible tell me how to get a site to PR9.

Also, you do not need the Alexa toolbar to have your site rank in Alexa. It's the people going to your site that need the toolbar in order for Alexa to see them visiting your site.

Regarding PR, I had a site I registered in Nov 2006 get to PR4 in April 2007. It's not hard to do without paying for anything. You say that's impossible, many people have done it. If you create a quality site, PR will come.

Finally, using Google Gadgets would create inbound links for Google Gadgets, not your site.

You buy inbound links with PR of a certain value. Due to the way PR works, your PR will be one less than that (roughly speaking). If you want to split hairs, you are nor going to some shop to actually buy PR but are buying links that will change your PR - the result is the same. If you went to a shop that sells links and signed up stating you wanted a PR of 7 and they sold you inbound links so that your PR ended up being a 7, didn't you, in effect, buy a PR of 7?

When I said "Alexa only works for sites that have the Alexa toolbar installed," what I meant was "Alexa only works from sites that have the Alexa toolbar installed."

Regarding PR, what I said was, "there is simply no way you could receive a PR3 from google within a month of opening a new site." Unles my fingers are lying to me, November through April is five months, not the one month I was talking about. I still seriously doubt you got a PR 4 in that amount of time but will take your word at it. But your statement that "If you create a quality site, PR will come" is not anywhere correct. PR has nothing to do with the quality of your site.

Google gadgets don't create direct links. I'll grant that. They do create a large of visits to your site, how large depends upon how well your gadget is. Once all of those new vistiors are on your site, if a small portion of them (assuming a larger number as already stated), either exchange links or link to your site, your PR increases.

Jack

Jack, you can check for yourself:
http://whois.domaintools.com/solarfrenzy.com - Scroll down and you'll see 'Domain registered 2007-07-26'
Site went live start of September 2007 and reached a GPR of 3 sometime in October 2007 - Check the current PR - http://pr.blogflux.com
I'm assuming that you know there were 2 updates in October as well - http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/014973.html

BTW - Sorry to hijack the thread!

That doesn't prove anything. In fact, just by looking at it, the PR isn't justified by the linkbacks. I suspect you have one-way links or inherited the links from an old domain name, which may still point to it. I'm sorry, but it is simply not possible to start a new site and have a PR of 3 (or even one) withiin a month. It would take a week just for google to get you listed. They tehn have to verify the links to your site, which would not exist unless you scrambled to had them right after opening. And, finally, you would then have to be fortunate enough to open right at a PR update.

Jack

OK. Jack, Seriously, look at what you are saying AND the facts.
I know I am right and can live with that.
BUT I would love for you to prove me wrong.
I think we have to agree to disagree on this one.

There is, of course, no way for me to prove you wrong. I don't have access to the history of the site nor the links to it. I'm not sure what you mean by the facts since you didn't supply any. It would, in fact, be impossible to supply the needed facts (meaning backlinks to your site) since google won't realease the full list. I suggest you research how google handles PR if you are interested in understanding why what you claim cannot be possible. But PR is such a trivial matter when it comes to SEO that it really isn't worth having this much time devoted to it.

Jack

Its actually possible now, google pagerank is now updated much faster than before.

Goes both ways...you might aswell loose some rank at the next update....

But then again the pagerank is no longer such a good indicator of rank placment in regards to seo as it used to be.

Agree with you there Nick.
especially now they are penalising anyone selling text link ads.

Are you saying you think it is possible to open a new site today, with no previous history and no backlinks and within a month have it at a PR of 3 without paying for any links? I aware of their new procedure but this goes to the basic way google has worked for years. They don't want new sites gettting ranked well due to the amount that were closing up early. That's why they came out with the sandbox concept.

Jack

As an example i set up 1 site for a client in August/September this year, a new domain with no links at that time.

Seo optimized and did a link campaign for it.

The site got a pagerank of 3 at the last google update.


But due to googles ever changing rules and current "clean up" of sites offering paid links, the rankings are now ever so fluid.

Google are weeding out payed links, and as more and more sites are affected by this...ie. if a site linking to your site is deemed as a payed link provider..the link to your site will loos its "juice" and no longer count in your page rank.

Google are now updating the actual used pagerank more or less in realtime...and as such the shown page rank can only be view as an indicator of a sites real "importance" in googles ranking.... (ofcourse pagerank is also just a small part of the algorithm used by google in determining the search listing result order)

I'll take you at your word that that happened. But to get a PR of 3, you have to have at least one site with a PR of 4 and very few PR 4 sites will give link exchanges with a PR 0 site so it would seem something else is the reason. Perhaps your link campaign provided links from PR4 sites? PR is fairly easy to figure out. If you don't have the backlinks, your PR does not increase. So building a list of backlinks with high PR can't be done, in my opinion, is that short amount of time. But there's always an exception to the rule, I suppose,

Jack

Yes, the link campaign i did for the mentioned site did include links from atleast one pr4 site too... :-)

What I meant was that a quality will get you traffic, which gets you links and higher SERPs which eventually gets you PR.

I have no reason to lie about my PR. In fact, I had no idea what it was until someone told me through an email. Here's my response post on my blog. In fact now that I've gone and revisited my actual post I see that I went from PR0 to PR4 from mid-Nov. to January 23rd! That is two months! Honestly, I didn't expect it and was pleasantly suprised. It is a blog so I did generate alot of links from other blogs when I launched. It was indexed very fast also.

"My Google Page Rank
January 23rd, 2007 by K

Thanks to Jon who informed my that my Google Page Rank is at PR4. I launched my new URL in mid-November 2007 so this was probably the first time its PR was updated with Google.

Google Page Rank is a way that Google ranks the importance of a site and its relevance to the term that you are searching for. Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search.

PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page’s value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves “important” weigh more heavily and help to make other pages “important.”

Jack,

I wanted to add one more thing. Google PR does seem wacky now. I have sites with 1 page (just a parking page but with relevant content to the URL) that get 2-5 visitors a day go to PR2 without ANY links. Don't ask me why, but last time I checked they were PR2. I just let them sit there until I'm ready to use them.

It appears this thread has gone way off topic. Has anybody actually integrated these Google modules into their osCommerce page? If so, how have you altered where it is placed on your page?

I agree. I have been looking at them since the thread started, and just can't find a suitable one to include. Does anyone have any suggestions?

A PR3 is one of the most easiest ones to get, i had no inbound links other than listing my site in the osC review area and surprise surprise i was PR3 with my first ever PR update, so i guess that was down to osCommerce PR getting past down to my site, so as i said getting a pr3 is not rocket science.

The Page rank of any webpage according to Google depends on many factors and traffic is one of them that's very important.

Cheers!
MTA

You may be confusing PR with index position since traffic doesn't have anything to do with PR.

Jack

Sad thing is, PR by itself is not a very meaningful metric. Sure, you can have a link from a PR5 site; but remember, google is also looking at: how often do people click over to your site, what is the average visitor time on your site, page views, and much much much more. This is not 2002 anymore; PR no longer carries any significant weight.

For about half a year now, rumors have been floating around that google was going to abolish PR (how many time's has it fluctuated on you as of lately?). I hope so.


Anyone still want to talk about widgets? Google will soon be releasing their open social platform; which will basically allow you to plug in any widget you want into a site created with google-page-creator.
I know that widgets sound like a boring, mundane, and pointless invention; but trust me, they have the potential to drastically change the way e-commerce is done.

Anyone ever use googlepagecreator with an oscommerce site?

With the multitude of links (over 3,000) Digilee has coming to solarfrenzy from the other sites he owns, perhaps it's no surprise he has a PR of 3

3,000 links to solarfrenzy.com? I wish!

Your wish is granted

http://tinyurl.com/2lk48s

That's not direct links!

(am I being too picky now?)

my site was registered in december 07 but i have 0 page rank lol

http://www.smoothzone.co.uk